Comments on: I’ll huff and I’ll puff and I’ll… https://www.propertyinvesting.com/ill-huff-ill-puff-ill/?infuse=1 Wed, 05 Nov 2025 11:21:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: Marguerite https://www.propertyinvesting.com/ill-huff-ill-puff-ill/#comment-375331 Thu, 07 Feb 2019 01:43:25 +0000 https://www.propertyinvesting.com/?p=5049055#comment-375331 A very entertaining read of something that I usually stay away from. Thank you for the great summary, Steve!!

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By: Jason Staggers https://www.propertyinvesting.com/ill-huff-ill-puff-ill/#comment-375265 Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:00:16 +0000 https://www.propertyinvesting.com/?p=5049055#comment-375265 Thanks for sharing your thoughts Philip. In one sense, I agree that people should take more responsibility for their own risk assessment, hence why Steve and I do what we do. That said, in the current balance of power, who do you think is better equipped at assessing risk? Banks or the average home buyer?

Most people assume that the bank wouldn’t loan them money if they couldn’t afford to repay it. They think banks are assessing the borrower’s risk, when in fact they are assessing the lender’s risk.

I’d be fully on board with your view if every loan came with a statement from the bank that reads something like, “We have approved your loan because in a worst-case scenario, we are confident we will get our money back. You, on the other hand, in the same scenario, would experience a very high degree of financial and emotional pain. You are responsible to assess your own risk. We value you as a customer, but we value our shareholders more.”

I understand that would make closing new loans a challenge. My point is that if banks want to highlight caveat emptor, they need to take more responsibility themselves for educating unwitting borrowers. I’d prefer that over more regulation.

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By: Benny https://www.propertyinvesting.com/ill-huff-ill-puff-ill/#comment-375257 Wed, 06 Feb 2019 22:12:04 +0000 https://www.propertyinvesting.com/?p=5049055#comment-375257 Hi Phillip,
>>> “In all this kerfuffle during and post Banking Royal Commission there is a lot of negative talks around the banking conduct but not one single report or talk on caveat emptor. ”
Umm, could that be because the Royal Commission was started for the very purpose of highlighting errors made by members of the Finance Industries (including Banks)?

Any person in any Frontline is always going to cop it from disgruntled customers (initially). Perhaps the best we can all do in a similar situation is to “delegate upward”. i.e. Help the disgruntled customer by having them sit down with a superior where they can vent, and the superior can (or might) do something to assist.

What you say is true – many people have made lots of money from taking out loans, but often that is in spite of Banks, and not so much because of them.

Where Banks let down people who are dependent on them to “be fair”, they DESERVE a shellacking in my book. You mentioned “people need to take responsibility for themselves”, and yet some of the most widely reported errors by the Banks in this whole debacle were charging dead people fees for service, and over-selling to people who were mentally impaired and not able to be overly responsible.

I don’t blame you for supporting your own industry Phillip – just don’t forget the little guy once you have become more senior !! ;)

Benny

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By: Satish Chandra https://www.propertyinvesting.com/ill-huff-ill-puff-ill/#comment-375222 Wed, 06 Feb 2019 10:22:19 +0000 https://www.propertyinvesting.com/?p=5049055#comment-375222 Agree, IMO not many would approach a broker if they have to pay a fee up front. I have used brokers several times and the ones I used were real professionals. Banks indirectly pushed me to go to brokers as they were not receptive when I approached them directly. In the days of everything linked to bonuses or read money, it’s human to look for shortcuts to make money and that’s how the whole industry works. Corporates work for shareholder interests rather than customers and I feel only casualty of this would be mortgage brokers..

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By: Norman Taralrud-Bay https://www.propertyinvesting.com/ill-huff-ill-puff-ill/#comment-375217 Wed, 06 Feb 2019 10:10:40 +0000 https://www.propertyinvesting.com/?p=5049055#comment-375217 There are many conscientious brokers who provide a valuable service. Banks will never discuss other lenders’ products and it becomes easy for the majors to align with each other on pricing, meaning the customer has nowhere to turn to for advice on product features and service comparisons. Many borrowers will again be misssold 3o year P and I mortgages with no advice on how to save interest by prepaying a part of the mortgage early, so will end up paying the principal twice – once being the cumulative interest$$!

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By: Philip Wong https://www.propertyinvesting.com/ill-huff-ill-puff-ill/#comment-375213 Wed, 06 Feb 2019 09:54:56 +0000 https://www.propertyinvesting.com/?p=5049055#comment-375213 In all this kerfuffle during and post Banking Royal Commission there is a lot of negative talks around the banking conduct but not one single report or talk on caveat emptor. It is so easy to relegate responsibility to organisations when things go wrong. Has anyone mentioned the many millions of people who are home owners because they were able to borrow from lending institutions? Has any commentator even mentioned the many millions of people who have gotten rich from property ownership?

Whatever happened to balance reporting?

As a frontline banker who has to raise a young family, I value my role and love our customers. My colleagues and I are copping the brunt of the community’s anger. You have no idea how much compliance and procedures we have to follow just to stay employed. The over the top compliance is starting to impact our customer service perception.

Whilst I feel sorry for those people who have suffered as mentioned in the Royal Commission, I feel the pendulum of public sentiments have swung too far against the banking industry. There ought to be a reasonable level of self reliance and responsibility. It should be up to every individual to know what they are getting into and not rely solely on regulations to protect them.

We all need to use more common sense.

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By: Matt https://www.propertyinvesting.com/ill-huff-ill-puff-ill/#comment-375212 Wed, 06 Feb 2019 09:20:10 +0000 https://www.propertyinvesting.com/?p=5049055#comment-375212 I wish this could be summerised in a 4 minute video.

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By: LIncs https://www.propertyinvesting.com/ill-huff-ill-puff-ill/#comment-375195 Wed, 06 Feb 2019 04:52:24 +0000 https://www.propertyinvesting.com/?p=5049055#comment-375195 Mortgage brokers have an important role to play and help inexperienced home buyers work out the loan process. There may be some brokers which are using fraudulent documents to get loans but rather than throwing out the rotten apples, the commission is recommending closing down the whole industry. It is very unlikely that people will pay for mortgage brokers from their own pockets.

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By: Mark https://www.propertyinvesting.com/ill-huff-ill-puff-ill/#comment-375194 Wed, 06 Feb 2019 04:27:26 +0000 https://www.propertyinvesting.com/?p=5049055#comment-375194 Interesting to see how Labor will utilise the report and particularly the lack of action as an advantage over the current Liberal federal government – a distraction from the concern over proposed Labor policies e.g. franking dividends etc

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By: Steve McKnight https://www.propertyinvesting.com/ill-huff-ill-puff-ill/#comment-375191 Wed, 06 Feb 2019 02:53:39 +0000 https://www.propertyinvesting.com/?p=5049055#comment-375191 Oink!

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